Zero. Definition: nothing.

Have you ever thought about women’s clothing sizes? Why are sizes labeled 0, 2, 4 etc? They certainly don’t measure anything. I understand when clothes are tagged by waist sizes like 26, 27, 31 etc. That’s helpful. But why 0, 2, 4? And 0, being the smallest, is supposed to be enviable. Size 0! How is that even a size? It’s literally the measure of nothing.

The problem here is that I think the concept of size 0 is doing more harm to the psyche of women and girls than anyone realizes. Or maybe everyone realizes it and nobody talks about it. Or maybe everybody talks about it, but I can’t hear everyone over the sound of my own chewing. Regardless, we’re going to talk about it today.

In my opinion, the concept of size 0 sends a symbolic message to women and girls that the more invisible you are, the better.

Think about it. Men and boys don’t have sizes called 0, 2 and 4. Men and boys aren’t taught to strive to be the physical representation of nothingness. They’re taught to stand up tall, to let their broad builds fill up space in a room, to be a presence.

Women, on the other hand, are taught that the less your physical presence is seen and felt, the better. Not to be dramatic, but no wonder we haven’t had a female president yet.

But don’t worry- I have a solution :) I think we should get rid of the numerical system completely. And we should rename the sizes something more arbitrary like colors, names of dead presidents, or ice cream flavors.

I’d like to one day be able to say that I’m a size Mint Chocolate Chip in most pants, but a size Cookie Dough at Banana Republic and Gap because their stuff runs big. And a size Coffee-Toffee in anything designer because that sh*t is cut for 12 year olds.

Perhaps this way, one’s size won’t matter. We won’t strive to be as teeny of a physical presence as possible, and we can all just focus on being healthy, however big or small that may be. And then we can focus on other more interesting pursuits like school, work, ruling the world, etc. And just think of all the spare time we’ll have for activities.

step brothers- so much room for activities

It’s mind boggling, really.

What are your thoughts on size charts?

Do you agree that the concept that size 0 is sending a negative message to women and girls?

Or do you think I’m reading too much into it?

 

109 Thoughts on “The Problem With Size 0

  1. You are completely right…Striving to be nothing…seems to me to be a conflict! Striving working hard and sucess is “zero”!
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  2. I think that you’re absolutely right, and the pressure to conform to a number never accounts for individuality or person’s uniqueness. It’s the same with a number on the scale. You take away a person’s self and replace it with a rigid number to conform to.

    I’m not sure if you have already seen it, but there is an amazing lecture by Jean Kilbourne called ‘Killing Us Softly’, which speaks about images of women in the media. She mentions size zero, and how women (and girls) are taught to aspire to become ‘nothing’ while men are fostered to become ‘tough an dominant’. Unfortunately the whole lecture can’t be viewed on line, but the trailer below has a general snapshot of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FpyGwP3yzE

    Thank you for posting about this – there needs to be more discussion about the current standards of ideal beauty, and how they came to be.
    :)
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  3. You’re definitely not reading too much into it! The worst is when women will put an item back on the shelf because “their” size didn’t fit them. The thought of just trying on the next size up isn’t even an option?! Women have definitely been conditioned to try and take up as little space as possible, not just in clothes, but even our body language (just look at the difference in how men and women sit on a couch). It makes me mad just thinking about it.
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    • oh thats a fantastic point- about the way we sit- its always in a way that takes up the least amount of space possible, cross legged, knees together, we’re not supposed to sprawl out like guys do.

  4. Great post, Charlotte! I don’t think you are reading into it too much at all! Its like an unspoken desire among some people. I remember many of my female friends bragging about how even size 0 was too small for them that they were shopping in the teen and kids sections. BRAGGING about it. umm.. Why are you bragging about fitting into Dora the Explorer pants?

    The concept of ice cream flavours sounds like a winner- and as you implied, no one brands size is similar to another. Anyone can range in a size small to large depending on some brands cuts- its just not an even playing field. Anyway back to study in my double fudge oreo pants (sweats two sizes too big cos im at home, its dark and I because I can)
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  5. Oh wow… I’ve always had a problem with sizes, but never thought about how it might make women feel like they should be invisible. Great insight, Charlotte! The whole concept of sizing is just… ugh. First, sizes aren’t even stable across stores so you end up feeling bad when you have to buy a bigger size than you would somewhere else, even if it’s physically exactly the same. Second, you try and force yourself into something that doesn’t fit right and makes you feel bad about yourself just because the size is more acceptable I your brain. No. Ice cream flavours sound so much better to me…
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    • exactly! theres so much emphasis on womens sizes and they’re not even stable across brands. some obviously run way bigger and some smaller. it has even happened that in THE SAME STORE i’ll be 2 different sizes. its ridiculous.

  6. I think the whole idea of 0 is a trick. I know this because I have pants and shorts from J. Crew from 5 years ago in a size 2. I now have to buy the ridiculous size 0 and guess what? They’re the SAME size!! I agree with a lot of what you said and women’s pants should be sized the way men’s are – a real waist size. If not, then we should absolutely go with the ice cream idea!
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    • oh i was going to use JCrew as the “runs bigger” example but i wasnt sure if ive just been losing my mind lately or what. jcrew has always been pretty true to size in my opinion (although maybe runs a little tall) but lately i’ve been having to go down in sizes. somethings off.

  7. Love this Charlotte! Spot on insight. Love the ice cream sizing scale, although ‘Chunky Monkey’ jeans might not be great for our psyches either! While we’re throwing out the pointless 0, 2, 4 size charts, we should do away with S, M, L too. XXS, seriously WTF?!
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  8. I hate sizes. This is why I hate shopping. It’s stupid, really, to think about size zero, yet it’s hard not to want to fall as close to that number as possible. I like the idea of judging by ice cream sizes. It is way more positive and upbeat. I typically buy a lot of jeans in european sizes but then I find them running so small! Shopping for girls is just the worst.
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  9. Great insight Charlotte! I don’t find sizes to be relevant nowadays because I can wear anything ranging within several different sizes and it doesn’t really matter. My body is always the same yet my pants sizes rarely are – what can you do!? I certainly think it’s creating a bad message for women to have a size 0 and I’m also a fairly big feminist so I could go off on a tangent about society and women but I digress… Good post. :)
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    • oh yes, as of last night this post was a lot longer and went on a huge tangent about women and society but i cut all that out because i didnt think people would have time for all that. but yes, i could go on and on… and on..

  10. I’ve actually never thought about size 0 and the fact that it means…absolutely nothing (in terms of quantity). It is really weird and completely non-sensible, now that I think about it. I used to go in specific stores because I knew their pants ran bigger and could fit into smaller sizes, and let’s be honest, that’s just a little dumb. I love the ice cream flavor size idea–can we make a petition and change the system? That’d be way too cool.
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    • haha! wouldnt a petition be awesome! who’s in charge of this system anyways? i kinda doubt anyone is in charge of it because if so it might actually be even across the board.

  11. AGREE AGREE AGREE!!! I never thought about how only women’s sizes run 0+. Ridiculous. And then with all the inconsistencies between stores…I can go on a shopping trip and legitimately drop 4 sizes between Gap and Club Monaco. What is that all about? I’m thinking you should run for president…I’m a US citizen so technically I can vote 😉
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  12. I wish sizes didn’t exist and we marked things with colors instead. Or candy like you suggest. Anything but numbers!!! It’s been shown time and time again how numbers can wear down our psyche, and it doesn’t help that those numbers vary by every store we step into. That’s why I only buy jeans from one place. I know my size, it fits me well, and I don’t have to search for hours for my right size.
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  13. I am not a fan of number sizing either. I think that 27, 28, etc is fine (and logical) but 2,4,6 is ridiculous. Also, a 2 at Gap is a 14 at Forever 21 so I waste way too much time in fitting rooms yelling at tags. I am all for this change.
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    • oh Gap is the worst in terms of running in consistant in my opinion. i have a couple pairs of pants from them- ALL different sizes. i like their stuff once i find the right fit, but finding that fit isnt always easy.

  14. Oh my – I have really never thought of a size 0 as a representation of my gender’s invisibility! You are so not making a big deal of this size mess-women’s sizes seem to vary from store to store and brand to brand within the same store!
    I think your ice cream flavor size chart sounds like a GREAT idea! :)
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  15. I 100% agree with you Charlotte! It’s true – striving to be a size zero comes out at mentally striving to be nothing…what kind of a message is that? And clothing sizes are just frustrating – I remember being told by someone who works in the industry that there is absolutely no regulation when it comes to sizes – there’s no specific measurement for a size 0, 2, etc, so that can wreak havoc on a woman’s psyche if she suddenly finds herself up 2 sizes at a new store. And can I just say that I love the idea of having sizes named after ice cream flavours? I’d be cool with being a size Cookies n Cream,
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    • yes! and all this inconsistency makes it soo hard to shop online, for me at least. i have to try on at least 3 sizes in any store- what i think i am, 1 up and 1 down, because you never know.

  16. So, I’ve actually never thought of it too much in that way before, but you’re absolutely right! Naming those sizes in that way definitely wreak havoc on the mind. And, sizes can and do greatly differ from store to store, so they really don’t mean anything. I think mint chocolate chip and cookie dough sizes are way better! 😉
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    • and i think it plays mind games on a lot of people who have real diet goals. but if that goal is to “be a size 2” for example, that can really be disheartening when you lose all this weight, and then you might be a 2 in one store but a 6 in another. its really not fair.

  17. This topic always makes me think of One Tree Hill and the whole “zero is not a size campaign”… yes this was a number of years ago but I always think back to it! Girls are so obsessed with being that smaller size and like some other people have said, some women won’t try on a bigger size when their “normal size” doesn’t fit. I’m guilty for this. And I know I’m not alone. I would be so happy if I wore a “mint chocolate chip” instead of a size.
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    • ohh i never saw one tree hill, but now i want to go back and watch! :) and i know- depending on my mood i refuse to try on a size up too. shopping can be a very emotionally upsetting activity at times.

  18. GOD, I LOVE this post!! You totally nailed it. They are trying to be the size of nothing. SO true. Would it be wrong if I stood up and applauded at my computer? Or weird or awkward?-Ashley

  19. LOVE this post. I am not going to lie to ya, when I lost my lbs I was excited that I was wearing a size “0”… ridiculous I know but I totally felt the pressures of society. Now I could be a zero here, a whatever there and I don’t care. It’s a number. When the saleslady at Club Monaco asked me what size I am this weekend I pointed to my waist and said “this size”.
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  20. You are right that boys don’t have to deal with this and I have never given it much thought. The problem I have with sizes is that they are not standard. Shouldn’t a size 8 in one brand match the size 8 in another brand. For guys the same is true. A size 36 in one brand is not even close to a 36 in another brand. 36 is based on a measurement (or is is supposed to be). I don’t care what you call it but make sizes standard.
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  21. I totally agree with you! What a great observation! I never thought about it like that before. You know, when I lived in Sydney, their sizes started at 6 so a 6 or 8 was an incredibly small size (equivalent to a zero or 2). Whenever I let American friends borrow stuff, I always felt I needed to explain my seemingly extra-large size. It was like I needed people to know that I could achieve the perfection of being a zero or nothing. I guess it really damages our psyche more than we know it!
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  22. Bahaha, so true. Have you seen that commercial where the women walk in to try on jeans and they’re like sizes “radiant” “amazing” “confident” “inspiring”? It’s pretty creative. I would be lying if I said I didn’t get worked up over sizes. Sometimes I’m even embarrassed of the fact that I AM the girl who has to ask if they have anymore size 0’s in the back because a 2 is just too dad-gum baggy on me. I know, sounds lame, but even us petite small people are self conscious about being little! I would kill to have a little more hip and a little more height on my small frame!! I look like I’m 13 half the time! I agree with you that the sizes should most definitely not be numbered…it only causes more harm than it’s worth!!
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    • exactly!! and this brings up another good point about body type in general- a size 0 on one person does not look like a size 0 on another person. some people are just naturally more petite than others. there’s really no point in measuring sizes numerically.

  23. I second Meghan’s comment and now I’m definitely writing that Lean In post. You are SO SO right and what’s worse is that I find myself constantly wishing I was back in a 2…but not for any real reason, just b/c a 2 “sounds good.” Screw that. I’m all for dead presidents as sizes – I’m definitely an FDR!

  24. some great ideas here, i vote ice cream flavors! :)
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    • i think there should be a petition to change the size chart, the only problem is that i have no idea who the petition would even be presented to… anna wintour? i have a feeling she wouldnt go for it :)

  25. Haha size mint chocolate chip 😉 I like that size a lot.
    I definitely agree about your thoughts about sizing. While I don’t exactly like to say a size zero is nothing, just for the fact that I do have friends who actually struggle (like really) struggle to gain weight and they get some serious backhanded comments from people claiming they are nothing because of their size and I know it truly hurts their feelings when they are labelled as nothing or “anorexic” because that is how they were born – but if you are striving for something that is not ideal for your body – yes, it is certainly a problem and something I still honestly struggle with myself.
    And that darn size seriously played mind games with me. And still does some days, I won’t lie about that. I’ve just learnt that my body is different from others and a size does not define who I am as a person.
    Awesome insight in this post!
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    • exactly- people are built differently- even if you’re the same height as someone else, people just carry weight differently. an extra 10 lbs might feel heavy on one person, but another person the same height might look gaunt without those lbs. numerical sizes dont measure anything, there’s really no upside to them.

  26. It’s just like the commercial that Sarah mentioned above! I think it’s for Special K or something like that, which isn’t really relevant, but the point is that they eliminate numbered sizing.

    I AM a size 0. Sometimes I’m a 00. It’s not because I don’t eat – it’s because I’m just thin and always have been. I’ve been called “skinny” and asked if I was anorexic and heard a lot of really mean things that made me feel bad about myself and my own size. Honestly, who CARES what size you are as long as you are healthy? What I wish is that sizing was more consistent. A size 2 (or a size small, or whatever we choose to call it), should just be a size 2. It feels really sucky to go into a store and NOT fit into anything regardless of what end of the spectrum you’re on.

    Ok, rant over. I like this post! It got me thinking (and talking, whoops)!
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    • yup great points!! just getting some sort of consistent form of measurement across brands would be great. without it theres really no point for the 0, 2, 4 scale to exist.

  27. Let’s use dance moves as pant sizes! I wear a size Worm at most stores, but I just but this comfy pants in a size Twerk, so, well, I can twerk in them.
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  28. Well put! I don’t think I have ever been a size zero unless you count my infancy. Double zero just blows my mind. Please eat something, you are literally wasting away. Good point about women wanting to have as small as a presence as possible, something has got to change, that is definitely not the right message at all. And it actually drives me crazy that I am different sizes in different stores, can we just get a universal size thing going on please?
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    • right!! it would be such an easier/ more enjoyable experience if i could actually walk in a store (or order online!) and not have to try on 3 different sizes. that would be amazing.

  29. I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE this post so much. I just saw a commercial the other day (I can’t remember what it was for, maybe even Special K????) but it was like the store lady was measuring the girls for the jeans sizes and they were all just ADJECTIVES for sizes. I loved it. Pretty sure I’m not the only person to mention that already but dammit it’s worth mentioning again haha :)
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  30. I think I realized how unimportant sizes are when I was a 5 in one store and didn’t fit in a 0 in another store. It was a huge realization for me I can’t rely on a number to tell me ANYTHING. Also, I thought a girl in my graduating class was “so skinny” when I found out she wore like an average sized jean. It’s just ridiculous how much you put on a number.

    Personally, I would love to be a Chocolate Peanut Butter Swirl sized jeans. Sounds good to me! And really, it would make jeans shopping so much more fun!

  31. I definitely agree with you, but I wonder if our society will ever be able to get past it and quit glamorizing dangerously thin women.
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  32. OOOOOH I’m all for being a size mint chocolate chip! Hey, can you order me that shirt in size Phish Food?
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  33. haha you have my vote on the ice cream flavors! I agree though. It seems like we let that number define so much about us…if we are skinny enough, in better shape than someone else ect…I know I’ve been guilty of it.
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  34. I have to agree with you on that one; the concept of a size zero is ridiculous! I don’t know who came up with that idea but I think it’s an interesting point you make that men don’t have size categorized like that.

    I love the idea of having ice cream flavors for sizes instead. Brilliant! I’d be chocolate vanilla swirl. :)
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  35. You know, the whole sizes things really angers people at all sizes. I know people who are embarrassed to be size zero and so small (I was once!). I also know people who hate being size 16. It’s so crazy, because sizes are ALWAYS changing. Marilyn Monroe’s size 8 is not ours anymore! The whole numerical sizing idea is just stupid! Anyways, at Target I’m an XS, but then in Levi Jeans I’m 3-4, while in my other jeans I’m closer to a 6. It’s just sending dumb mixed signals! I’d much rather be size Mint Chocolate Chip too! You seriously are the best writer! I loved this post! :)
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    • exactly! people of all sizes have their own insecurities, and this numerical system we have isnt helping things. people should focus on being healthy, whatever size that may be for them.

  36. Ohh these pants I’m wearing? They’re a size COOKIE DOUGH – haha love it :)! I completely agree with you though. The idea of classifying sizes as 4, 2, 0 only continues to urge women to base their worth on a damn number. That’s a really interesting perspective about the relationship between a size 0 and being invisible. Now that I think about it, there’s a lot of truth in that. All it does is continue to fuel the ideals which our society has developed over the years in terms of body image!
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  37. hehehe…have you ever heard Ralphie May’s stand-up routine…(similar idea to this) about racial slurs…if you haven’t heard it you need to find it and listen to it!…he turns racial slurs into delicious cookies…I think you 2 are on to something!
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  38. I am all for abolishing the number size system! I will never forget jean shopping with two of my friends who are both tiny and hearing them complain that size 0 was too small! They had to grab double 0 jeans. Double 0! I mean really, why don’t we just have negative sizes too?

    On the other end, I’ve definitely felt the rush of satisfaction when I lost some weight and went from a size 6 to a size 4 so I know how it feels to base my self worth on dropping that number even when I know it shouldn’t be that way. So I’m all for ice cream sizes! I LOVE mint chocolate chip so I’m confident wearing mint chocolate chip pants would make me happy beyond belief.

    • oh i know – ive felt that rush too, and i’d be lying if i said i didnt like it. however, overall, i dont think the size system does much good. and lol – “negative sizes” – i would not be surprised to see that one day!

  39. I do get confused when I buy jeans with the waist size – ummm…no clue!!!
    However, I have never, nor will I ever be a size 0!!! I don’t even get to bothered by the number (as long as I don’t venture into doubles – that is past my healthy size).
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    • yep- everybody has their healthy points. over the course of the year i tend to be one size, but theres about a month or so in the winter its a bit more comfortable to go a size up, and a month in the summer i fit in a size down. its all about knowing your sweet spot and whats healthy for you.

  40. While I’d never given the size system that much thought I can’t help but read even more into it after your post. There’s in fact so much truth in what you said. We think that by buying clothes we’re showing off our individual personalities yet at the same time try to fit into a society- or at least fashion designer-dictated shape.
    Actually, we don’t have size 0 over here and not even an equivalent. Size 32 (=2) – is the smallest you’ll find – and even that doesn’t exist in all stores. Some don’t even offer anything smaller than a 36/6. Still, it’s mind-boggling to think we’re trying to be the smallest, trying to take up the tiniest bit of space possible when we actually want to be seen, heard, liked and acknowledged.
    So yes, I’m all about your ice cream idea – as long as there will be enough size Cookies ‘n Cream dresses left for me.
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    • yes!! that was exactly what i was trying to get at!! we all want to be seen and heard yet sometimes sabotage ourselves with wanting to be the tiniest physical presence we can possibly be. i think its important to be the healthiest presence we can possibly be, no matter how big or small that is.

  41. Love the beginning..Zero-nothing..lol.
    I agree completely with designer clothing….they make us feel like an effing elephant and we might be a normal average person.
    Really Char..this issue is much more a serious issue than it is..it’s screwing with woman’s mind, it’s not only about the numbers, it’s a deeper thing.
    a great post, deserves a HIFI..
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    • thanks Ash! exactly- it is a deeper issue than just the numbers. i dont think having to define ourselves by numbers helps, but its really just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.

  42. I totally agree…a measure of nothing that just makes anyone and everyone frustrated to read it and see it on clothing racks! Size is like weighing yourself, it’s just a number but somehow it can ruin your day. I say they ban the numericals and go with your flavor philosophy! Such a well written post girly!
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    • haha im glad you agree! and as much as we know logically and rationally that sizes and the numbers on the scale are just numbers, theres an emotional component attached thats hard for even the most rational person to break!

  43. I’m not big by any means, but I have NEVER been a zero! Now that I think about it, I never wanted to be a zero! I have friends that are zeros (just genetics and being 4’11” makes sense) but I’m 5’5” and wear anything between a 4-8 depending what store. With my body shape, I’d have to lose 20-30 pounds to fit into something so petite. Something that would make me feel better if I was a size pineapple.

    Although Charlotte…this might cause a whole set of problems. What if I’m a size apple and people are making fun of me because I’m not a size cherry? Ah, life.
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    • ha! its soo true! we’re just a competitive society by design i suppose. still, i wish we were competing more to be our best selves, and not some random standard that society deems aesthetically pleasing. oh well, a girl can dream :)

  44. I 1000% agree with this! I worry about how to handle the whole self-image thing when my daughter gets older. And having size 0s on the shelf doesn’t really help. I think the best thing I could do is a good example.
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  45. I think this is an interesting topic to see on blogs! I wanted to add my 2 cents, as I work in the production/buying side in fashion. Just FYI sizes are not standardized in any means.. not across countries or anything.. Brands/stores create their own sizing often based on their target markets (juniors, mature, etc).. and even within one store/brand (ie. gap, j.crew), different styles can have different sizing , they are meant to be consistent, but sometimes quality inevitably slips through the cracks and styles from different manufacturers have different measurements under the same label. Long story short, you should Never read anything into numbers because they are literally arbitrary.
    So, although I agree this issue represents a bigger one for women in society these days, I think it’s important for women to know the truth and STOP stressing about it! We ladies can’t give the numbers power, ya know..shopping should be a beautiful thing 😉

    • thanks for weighing in!! i really appreciate hearing from someone in the industry that sizes truly dont have any standard or meaning. Like you said, women really need to stop giving them so much power!

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  49. I’d agree with the whole “size zero” thing. Coming from a teen, I’m still not quite out of the kids sizes, but I think it is dumb to be saying to people who have had children or are just not built like twigs that they have to be a size 0 to be pretty. Did that make sense?
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  50. I agree with the whole size thing…and how about the fact that the size 00 exists? I must admit – in a lot of brands I do wear a 0 and a 00 and it really makes no sense at all…I am small but not that small. These numbers mean so little yet can make girls and women crazy striving to achieve the right number in their pants. I am all for the label reading ice cream flavors instead!…and may I add, even though my pants have been a 0, my wedding dress was a 10 and in Lulu Lemon, my bottoms are a 2, my tops are a 6 and bathing suits? An 8 or a 10….see, sizing means 0! Literally!
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  52. I completely agree. It’s actually sickening that I put on a pair of “size 2” pants and they fit and while I was ecstatic about it, I had a flitting thought of “maybe I can be a size 0 one day.” The crazy thing? I don’t even want to lose any more weight! I’m small and I’m working on strength training to get stronger…I don’t want to be any skinnier. I think that our size pants totally negatively influence us. Guys don’t care about their pant sizes or comparing their pant sizes to others, so why should us women?
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  53. I completely agree! Thank you for this. I may tick off a few people who would long to lose weight, but as a person who struggles to fit in a size zero (seriously, I actually bought a pair of shorts recently that are a DOUBLE ZERO!!!), it’s really messed with me mentally.
    I’m a petite person, but I’m also fit and muscular, with at least some small curves. There are many people who are much thinner and more petite than me–so it makes me wonder, what the flock do they wear?!! Kids’ clothes?!!
    I think women’s sizes should be like men’s–by waist size. It may take some getting used to, but ultimately, it won’t make us strive for literally “nothing.”
    What also kills me is the inconsistency in clothing sizes. I actually come home in a bad mood/slightly depressed after clothes shopping because I rarely find something that fits me perfectly. It also bugs me that sizes have changed over the last several years. 10 years ago, a size 8 was probably what a size 2 or zero is today. How confusing! I just want to fit in clothing and not be labeled as a big, fat (skinny) “0.” It really is discouraging. As women, we already struggle with labels, stereotypes, images in the media, etc.–why add the label of “nothing” to that long list?
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  54. I always fantasize about owning a clothing store entitled “Size 2” (though I guess now it would have to be called “Size 0”). Every single item of clothing in there, no matter the actual size, would be labeled as a Size 2. People could buy clothes that actually fit them and not stress about the (often seemingly arbitrary) number on the tag inside.

    Size 0 is totally silly. You aren’t INVISIBLE at that size. Call it a 2 or a 1 or at least something that is actually a number (0.5 maybe?). I think it puts pressure on women to be thinner and thinner. When I was younger, it was always coveted to be a 6, 4 or 2. Now you “need” to be a 0. Like a not existing at all 0. So very odd!

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